What would happen to Romania if they claimed the Ukrainian territories. A historian explains the hallucinatory proposals of Călin Georgescu

Călin Georgescu’s statements about the Romanian territories between the borders of Ukraine that we should claim have aroused reactions not only to us, but also in the neighboring country.

Calin Georgescu seems to want to get out of the election race. Archive

“When I hear from the mouths of some politicians, our brothers, from the mother homeland in Romania, that the Russians have the right, then I think, Lord, how can I say that?”, the mayor from Cernăuți transmitted online.

“Those Russian barbarians when they kill so many thousands and thousands of people today, destroy cities, destroy villages. How can I say this is okay? How can it be good to kill people? We did not go, the country of Ukraine went to war anywhere, but it wanted the territories of others. ”, said the mayor.

A teacher from Ukraine also sends the former candidate for the Presidency of Romania “to stand in his bank”. “Mr. Georgescu to stay in his bank. We do not feel ordinary nor strangers. We have relations with Romania ”, she said. Asked what he tells those people in Romania who support Putin, she replied that they are wrong. “For we cannot support a man who brought so much disaster. So many people died, half the country was destroyed, how could we support such a man? And not to hide after some empty words. ”

Georgescu, the author of the perfect definition of utopia

Bogdan Bucur, a sociologist and professor of history within the SNSPA, considers the statements of Călin Georgescu a deep aberration, but also an offense to the neighboring state, which, at the peak, we even support in the war.

“Russia leads a classic war in Ukraine in Ukraine, it uses conventional weapons. It’s sad, but true. What Calin Georgescu proposes, however, reaches completely different dimensions. That is, Romania to behave like a hyena. That is, after Russia defeats Ukraine, let us also snatch a piece of the territory of this sovereign state. ”

This hallucinating and undesirable thing can not happen in reality unless, utopian speaking, Russia would put us at the table and would accept to share with us the ease of Ukraine. “Will ask for something in return. What exactly? To carry in Romania a pro-Russian policy. In other words, to have a pro-Russian president and a pro-Russian government. In fact, Russia also made such an invitation to Romania in relation to the Republic of Moldova, understanding here the union of the two countries. With one condition, however: let’s get out of nato”.

Obviously, the expert continues, the exit of Romania from NATO would place us in a neutral area to gray, it would bring us into a situation of maximum vulnerability that Russia will manipulate in its interest. “I would enter, in other words, into the sphere of Russian influence ”. This would be the consequence if Călin Georgescu’s statements were put into practice. “To snatch the territories from a sovereign and independent country, hypothetically defeated in a war by a stronger opponent, would be for Romania a grim behavior, which would structurally decredibility, ” considers the teacher.

The historian specified that if Romania officially claims the territories in Ukraine, under the hypothetical presidency of Călin Georgescu, it should proceed like Russia: to enter into a direct war of aggression with the neighboring country “Which can only be a terrible madness.”.

Instead, someone can imagine that in the hypothetical situation of the defeat of Ukraine we will receive the territories for free from the Russian occupant can only be a judgment generated by 3 types of situations. “Infantile innocence, which I do not think is the case of Mr. Georgescu, the alignment of Romania’s foreign and defense policy at the interests of the Russian Federation, which means NATO leaving, or statements made by an agent of Moscow. In all three situations the statement is of extreme and unacceptable severity ”.

Bogdan Bucur

Bogdan Bucur, a history teacher within the SNSPA. Personal archive

The project “Mare Hungary”. What if …

Going on the thread of this logic, says Prof. Bogdan Bucur, we can think that other neighboring states could crave, in one, to their former territories between the borders of Romania. What could ultimately prevent Hungarians from claiming Transylvania? “If we want the restoration of Greater Romania, as Calin Georgescu expressed, and this on account of sovereign and independent states, others may want, for example Bulgaria, the restoration of Great Bulgaria. This, also on account of a sovereign and independent state that bears the name of our country. It is about the territory of Dobrogea, because in the Bulgarian irredentist project Dobrogea is Bulgaria ”. Then, the historian continues, the Serbs may want to join the Romanian Banat to the Serbian. Why not, in the end? “But the cutest project of the type Great Romania It is the project of Hungary Mare, which involves the attachment of Transylvania in Hungary ”.

Calin Georgescu and Victor Orban, who have such irredentist, expansionist and aberrant visions, are facing the problem, namely: “Romanians from Northern Bucovina represent about the same percentage as Hungarians in Transylvania. That is, somewhere between 15 and 20%. Therefore, we are talking about an ultra minority. Basically, Romania can claim with the same legitimacy of Northern Bucovina with which Hungary can claim Transylvania. A legitimacy that, in fact, does not exist in the context of the current configuration of the international political scene based on self -determination and the right to stay in the country where they are majorities ”.

History: “Romania must be large on the inside, not outside”

Why did Călin Georgescu make such statements, knowing clearly that they will never be implemented? Clearly knowing that he violates the country’s constitution?

From a kind of misunderstood populism, believes Bogdan Bucur who puts the point on I: “Mr. Georgescu riding a horse of populism, which means that he says everything for everyone in an attempt to cover a national ideological palette. ” It is mistakenly addressed to a type of voter who, he considers, would be governed by the same theories. But the Romanians have never been conquerors, such a principle is not imprinted in the Romanian DNA. “Romania must be large, but it must be large on the inside, not on the outside. This means to be better governed, to increase prosperity, to become an attractive and spiritual and material homeland for those who want to live in it. And Romanians who no longer live inside the country’s borders want to return. ”

Călin Georgescu’s statement may seem good for the Romanian national nationalists, how many are, but it is, in reality, a road that leads Romania directly to hell. “It is good that we want to be” big “, but that means being rich by our own forces, not expansionists who snatch the territories of the neighbors.”

“Ukraine has no reason to be upset. Georgescu is a nobody in Romania ”

But, on the other hand, we must not now stumble in any statements that come from this character. “It is true, they are scandalous, but he does not have the ability to commit facts in this regard ”, Consider Prof. Bucur. What he says there are just words and should be regarded as such. “People say a lot of nonsense, in general, maybe we say nonsense, only we don’t do it in public. Do you know that it was a TV show “Children say crazy things”? Mr. Georgescu would be good to participate in a show “People say crazy things”.

If these statements came from a simple man, who perhaps drank an extra glass or an extra bottle, then it would be somewhat excusable. But when these things are said by a person who has almost 2 million votes behind and hopes to run with chances at the Presidency of Romania, they take on a certain weight.

Let us not forget, for example, that Donald Trump also said many things as a candidate, but will surely avoid them from now on, as president, he considers the historian. “Rather, I tend to believe that what Calin Georgescu said are just statements of campaignand if they arrived at the forefront of the country they would make them forgotten. ” The reason? Even he would have the decency to realize the implications of implementing the enormities he said. However, this has no way of graduating it. For this you can’t say regardless of the quality you have. “This is not the case with the populists who allow themselves to say anything to get their hands on a sack with votes. ”

Therefore, should Ukraine feel offended, offended for the irresponsible statements of Călin Georgescu? No, he considers Prof. Bucur. “Because Mr. Georgescu, at this moment, is a nobody in Romania. His statements should not cause consequences, because Mr. Georgescu has no official quality and represents no one but himself. What can happen is that Ukraine forbids them to enter this country. ”

Romania does not get into the bodies

In the hypothetical but unlikely scenario of the defeat of Ukraine, Romania should adopt a pro-Western foreign policy, aimed at Euro-Atlantic values, says Professor Bucur. “King Carol II made at his time a statement that should be written on a banner and posted on the opening on the website of the Foreign Ministry: “Romania does not want to start from the body of a former ally.” This beautiful phrase was implemented by the Romanian diplomacy, both in 1938 when it was divided Czechoslovakiaas well as a year later, in 1939, when the territory of another former ally and friend was divided: Poland ”, recalls Bogan Bucur.

The teacher explains that in none of the situations Romania did not claim the territories, although in 1938 it was invited to do it. “Czechoslovakia was then divided between Germany, Poland and Hungary. Romania refused to participate by displaying this statement. Therefore, going on this principle, in the context in which Ukraine would be defeated in this war, our country, as it did not want in the past, will not even want to get out of a former ally ”, the historian said.